tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522701856181722751.post5882590020069271078..comments2023-09-19T08:57:32.980-04:00Comments on Apparent Wind: Congratulations, Intensity SailsAnniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17511782748972147582noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522701856181722751.post-16873506985416046622009-07-31T21:50:01.750-04:002009-07-31T21:50:01.750-04:00P.S. Are you permitted by class rules to criticize...P.S. Are you permitted by class rules to criticize Big Laser? Better check, just in case.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13417115374524861438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522701856181722751.post-28656226860518477682009-07-29T17:25:11.255-04:002009-07-29T17:25:11.255-04:00Some class associations are more rigid and snooty ...Some class associations are more rigid and snooty than others. In some cases, the organizing authority for an event can contract a class association and get reasonable rule changes made with no problem. In some other cases, the class association gets ignored and everyone sort of agrees to "look the other way". And, if a class is too rigid and unfriendly, it just may fade away. <br /><br />One of the biggies is class rules requiring class membership ... theoretically required even for local club handicap regattas. Some classes are very expensive to join and only have a tiny minority of owners who pay. Theoretically, these boats aren't allowed to race anywhere ... but they do.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13417115374524861438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522701856181722751.post-54484870236065602072009-07-29T10:51:50.438-04:002009-07-29T10:51:50.438-04:00I think you're on the right track. You need to...I think you're on the right track. You need to create a Counterfeit Laser Class Association. I'll be interested to read the class rules. Will they prevent me from using a Rooster 8.1 Rig at your next Counterfeit Laser Regatta?Tillermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00639738519386820997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522701856181722751.post-72873619129110653722009-07-28T14:44:47.301-04:002009-07-28T14:44:47.301-04:00I totally agree with your reading of Rule 87, howe...I totally agree with your reading of Rule 87, however…..<br /><br />In the next couple of weeks our club is hosting qualifying rounds for the Mallory and Adams Cups, prestigious events sponsored by US Sailing. The NOR says the events will be sailed in Flying Scots, and in the very next sentence it says the Flying Scot class rules shall not apply. This does not change a class rule; it obliterates all of them. It seems this is doing what the college rules do – create a new class - the Flying Scot that is not a Flying Scot.<br /><br />I guess in one way or another the same thing is happening in Lasers. Lasers with one or more non class legal part are not Lasers, as stated in Laser Sailor. Local clubs and some regattas are either violating the rules by permitting these non-Lasers to sail in the Laser class, or they are incorrectly changing the SI’s to allow alternative sails. Is it all Kosher if the NOR’s and SI’s create a new class?<br /><br />I have been thinking of some names for the new class: Laser Wannabees, Almost Laser, Sometimes Laser, Laser .97 (new boat with cheap sail = 97% of the cost of boat with legal sail), or Bastard Laser.<br /><br />Sometimes I sail in the Laser Fleet and sometimes I sail in the Laser .97 fleet. I do about the same in either fleet.yarghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01062966513084638375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522701856181722751.post-51927331157290916402009-07-27T17:43:55.866-04:002009-07-27T17:43:55.866-04:00Class rules can change Rule 42. My understanding o...Class rules can change Rule 42. My understanding of how college sailing rules work is that they have defined a Collegiate Dinghy Class which is basically whatever boats the regatta host provides. And then in the class rules for the Collegiate Dinghy Class they modify Rule 42.Tillermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00639738519386820997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522701856181722751.post-23997627749881652142009-07-27T16:56:46.418-04:002009-07-27T16:56:46.418-04:00Tillerman, your interpretation seems to make sense...Tillerman, your interpretation seems to make sense.These rules do confuse me some what because rule changes in sailing instructions are very common, specifically rules involving plenty turns and the size of the bouy room circle (changes are specifically allowed in rule 86.1b). Also I know fact that college rules have a different rule 42. Its not clear to me if this constitutes a class association or not.Yarg Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13005348564211923371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1522701856181722751.post-13703945601056223232009-07-27T13:52:21.532-04:002009-07-27T13:52:21.532-04:00Yarg, I have a lot of sympathy with what you say, ...Yarg, I have a lot of sympathy with what you say, but I must take issue with your implication that the rules only require single source equipment at "big events".<br /><br />All sailboat racing at every level, as far as I am aware, takes place under the Racing Rules of Sailing. Certainly all organized regattas and club racing use the RRS. In the RRS the rules are explicitly defined (see definition of <i>Rule</i>) to include "the class rules" i.e. the rules of the Laser class in this case which, of course, mandate specifically that the sail must be supplied by a "licensed builder".<br /><br />So what's to stop a club or a regatta organizer specifically allowing non-licensed sails in their racing, do I hear you ask?<br /><br />Good question...<br /><br />Well Rule 86.1 (a) and (b) when read together clearly say that SIs can't change any of the Definitions, and so you can't change the definition of <i>Rule</i> to exclude the class rules.<br /><br />And Rule 87 says you can't change class rules without getting written permission from the class.<br /><br />So my read is that if you are sailing a Laser under the RRS then you must follow the class rules and use a legal sail, whatever the size of the event. Or am I missing something?Tillermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00639738519386820997noreply@blogger.com